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maybe they need to show a willingness to go over the so-called fiscal cliff. now, if the president really wants to take the country there, maybe they need to let him go there. here's the bottom line. what are we hearing from the white house? we're hearing the president will not negotiate unless taxes are raised on job creators, and we're hearing that the president now wants to seize control of the debt ceiling from congress. well, that means rather than needing the approval of the house was the senate to raise the nation's spending limit, president barack obama wants to do this all by his lonesome, a blank check. >> if congress in any way suggests that they're going to tie negotiations to debt ceiling votes and take us to the brink of default once again, as part of a budget negotiation which, by the way, we've never done in our history until we did it last year, i will not play that game. > >> sean: in this country historically it's been up to you, the individual and the government, to create a better life for the next generation. that means your kids, that me
maybe they need to show a willingness to go over the so-called fiscal cliff. now, if the president really wants to take the country there, maybe they need to let him go there. here's the bottom line. what are we hearing from the white house? we're hearing the president will not negotiate unless taxes are raised on job creators, and we're hearing that the president now wants to seize control of the debt ceiling from congress. well, that means rather than needing the approval of the house was the...
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as this fiscal cliff negotiations continues, they think boehner is trying to warn conservatives about going against any kind of deal he cuts with the white house. so as a warning, boehner is saying i'm going to boot you off your committee if you go against something i do. a lot of conservatives don't like it when he plays hardball. they're going to continue to fight back just like senator demint is doing right now. >> but he's also going to lose some votes on the moderate side. a couple dozen republican house members signed a bipartisan letter that says let's look at all kinds of tax rates, not just the deduction, but tax rates in relation to other spending. so you've got republicans jumping ship on both sides. >> that's exactly right. the speaker is going to have to make a critical choice, because the lines are being drawn in the sand right now here on capitol hill. you have the conservatives who are being booted off the committee. they're very angry with the speaker. they're not going to move at all on tax rates. but you've got a lot of moderates in the republican conference from th
as this fiscal cliff negotiations continues, they think boehner is trying to warn conservatives about going against any kind of deal he cuts with the white house. so as a warning, boehner is saying i'm going to boot you off your committee if you go against something i do. a lot of conservatives don't like it when he plays hardball. they're going to continue to fight back just like senator demint is doing right now. >> but he's also going to lose some votes on the moderate side. a couple...
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>> steve: north lawn of the white house, not a fiscal cliff, just a scary slope. >> brian: yes. >> gretchen: let's bring in michelle malkin. she's out in colorado where there is a lot of slippery slopes. usually people are just skiing down those. >> steve: we're falling down this one. >> gretchen: how do you react to what wendell goler said, the phone call between the president and boehner and the president laying down the gauntlet saying, unless you talk debt ceiling and raising taxes, i'm not going to actually come to the table anymore. how come he's not talking about what many americans deem to be the real problem, which is enormous spending? >> yeah. well, that's never been on the table for this president. so that certainly isn't any surprise. and the idea of this power grab, of course, is in keeping with this imperial presidency. it's not just a power grab, it's two-fisted power grab choke hold, give may wrestling move, brian, for what this is. and i'm glad -- >> brian: cross face. >> yeah. whatever. pile driver, i don't know. just something really obnoxious and of course, over the top
>> steve: north lawn of the white house, not a fiscal cliff, just a scary slope. >> brian: yes. >> gretchen: let's bring in michelle malkin. she's out in colorado where there is a lot of slippery slopes. usually people are just skiing down those. >> steve: we're falling down this one. >> gretchen: how do you react to what wendell goler said, the phone call between the president and boehner and the president laying down the gauntlet saying, unless you talk debt...
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up next, tax hikes, overspending, uncertainty, fiscal cliff threatening the economy, but maybe not? we take it all up with moody's iefonomist, and deuche bank senior economist here next. stay with us. with the spark cash card from capital one, olaf gets great rewas for his small business! pizza! [ garth ] olaf's small busins earns 2% cash back on every purchase, ery day! helium delivery. put it on my spark rd! [ pop! ] [ garth ] why settleor less? great businesses deserve great rewards! awesome!!! [ male announcer ] the spark business card from capital one. choose unlimited rewards with 2% cash back or double miles on every purchase, every day! what's in your wallet? we don't let frequent heartburn come between us and what we love. so if you're onef them people who gets heartburn and then treats day afr day... block the acid with prilosec otc and don't get heartburn in the first place! [ male announcer ] e pill eachmorning. 24 hours. zero heartbur lou: you know, it may surprise some that december is historically the strongest month for investors. the s&00 posting gains in december,
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up next, tax hikes, overspending, uncertainty, fiscal cliff threatening the economy, but maybe not? we take it all up with moody's chief economist, and deutsche bank senior economist here next. stay with us. lou: you know, it may surprise some that december is historically the strongest month for investors. the s&p500 posting gains in december, 82% of the time since 1990. it's that 18% that should trouble folks, but are concerns with the fiscal cliff giving investors a reason to be less than optimistic? joining me is john, and carl, senior economist for deutsche bank. gentlemen, thank you for being here. start with the treasury secretary. the man in charge of our treasury is out telling everyone that the administration he works for is a part of is perfectly prepared to go over the fiscal cliff in order to raise a tax rate to 39.6%. does that make any sense to you? are you shocked, surprised? >> well, i guess i'm not surprised given we're in the early stages of the discussion, but for the economists and forecasters out there calling this is the fiscal slope, not a cliff or believe it
up next, tax hikes, overspending, uncertainty, fiscal cliff threatening the economy, but maybe not? we take it all up with moody's chief economist, and deutsche bank senior economist here next. stay with us. lou: you know, it may surprise some that december is historically the strongest month for investors. the s&p500 posting gains in december, 82% of the time since 1990. it's that 18% that should trouble folks, but are concerns with the fiscal cliff giving investors a reason to be less...
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gerri: is the writing on gerri: we are dangling over the fiscal cliff. but washington is at a standstill. although the president is refusing to sit downwn with republicans, he did ta to speaker john boehner this afternoon, and the white house is talking to federal agencies, warning them to get ready to go over the cliff. with more on this, congressman tommcclintock of califnia. a member of the budget coittee. if you for joining us today. you know, we heard about this telephone call between speaker boehner and the president. you think anything will come of that? >> the president has been very clear. he is hell-bent to raise taxes massively on those very wealthy folks made making over $250,000. bearer 80% of small businesses, in and exactly the time when we are depending on them to create two thirds of the new jobs in our country desperately needs. gerri: the republicans are in the way of a settlement. i want to hear what he said today. here is the president. >> we can probably solve this in a week. it is not that tough. but we need that conceptual breakth
gerri: is the writing on gerri: we are dangling over the fiscal cliff. but washington is at a standstill. although the president is refusing to sit downwn with republicans, he did ta to speaker john boehner this afternoon, and the white house is talking to federal agencies, warning them to get ready to go over the cliff. with more on this, congressman tommcclintock of califnia. a member of the budget coittee. if you for joining us today. you know, we heard about this telephone call between...
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he says the white house is prepared to go over the fiscal cliff if republicans don't give in on higher taxes on the wealthy. you can see we're weighted to the up side by a ratio of 8:1 at the moment. finland is not trading today, so you may see some quotes not doing very well. we saw apple stock having the biggest loss in four years. the ftse yesterday slim gains really. up 0.4%, the dax up a quarter of a percent. is this a this is where we stand as we wait for the announcements from the ecb. we're up at a 52 week high for the xetra dax. cac 40 up half a percent and ibex up half a percent, as well. take a look at bond yields. we looked at that auction yesterday from spain. they raised 4.3 billion. years went lower. nevertheless spanish yields today 5.4%, slightly lower from where we closed, but they did move up substantially after a handle of 5.2. we'll keep our eye on gilts, as well. we'll look ahead to the bank of england. nothing expected from them, of course. 1.8%. david miles was the only man who voted for more qe at the last meeting. as far as currency rates are concerned, euro-d
he says the white house is prepared to go over the fiscal cliff if republicans don't give in on higher taxes on the wealthy. you can see we're weighted to the up side by a ratio of 8:1 at the moment. finland is not trading today, so you may see some quotes not doing very well. we saw apple stock having the biggest loss in four years. the ftse yesterday slim gains really. up 0.4%, the dax up a quarter of a percent. is this a this is where we stand as we wait for the announcements from the ecb....
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ready for the fiscal cliff, possible layoffs, other issues, that shows we are getting closer and closer to this really becoming a reality, harris. >> ed henry, outside the white house. ed, thank you very much. for the first time, we are hearing something very tough to listen to. it is the desperate 911 call from javon belcher's own mother. the kansas city chief's nfl player who shot his girlfriend. surveillance video showed a mother allegedly sneaking her little daughter out of the hospital. doctors had warned the young leukemia patient had something in her heart that would kill her within days if they didn't deal with it. now word of a major development. what her father reportedly says about where that child is right now. stay close. same item at walmart f less? gee okay. fijit friends. fifteen bucks on rollback. wow! that's a savings of over 29 bucks! twenty-nine bucks!!?? and they're powered by friendship. see for yourself if you could save on brands you want. walmart. can i still ship a gift in time r christmas? yeah, sure you can. great. where's your gift? uh... whew. [ male announ
ready for the fiscal cliff, possible layoffs, other issues, that shows we are getting closer and closer to this really becoming a reality, harris. >> ed henry, outside the white house. ed, thank you very much. for the first time, we are hearing something very tough to listen to. it is the desperate 911 call from javon belcher's own mother. the kansas city chief's nfl player who shot his girlfriend. surveillance video showed a mother allegedly sneaking her little daughter out of the...
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he was asked flat out is the white house ready to go over the fiscal cliff and boom he says, absolutely, as if that is a good thing. i mean there are defense contractors who are going to be laying off workers, there are all kinds of negative ramifications to all of this. but the white house apparently is ready to take the jump. >> well, they are certainly ready to say it. the republicans have a weaker hand than i thought they would originally have about a couple months ago, but the idea that president obama wants to start his second term by plunging the country into a recession, a huge sell off in the stock market, and by being perceived as generally sort of willing to play chicken with the economy doesn't sound like a brilliant political move to me. jon: you think that's all talk? >> i think it's a game of chicken, i really do. i think that the republicans would probably get a lot of blame in the beginning, and that's maybe what they are thinking of and they are trying to scare the republicans, but over the long term there is just no way this administration wants to go overt fisca over
he was asked flat out is the white house ready to go over the fiscal cliff and boom he says, absolutely, as if that is a good thing. i mean there are defense contractors who are going to be laying off workers, there are all kinds of negative ramifications to all of this. but the white house apparently is ready to take the jump. >> well, they are certainly ready to say it. the republicans have a weaker hand than i thought they would originally have about a couple months ago, but the idea...
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. >> this fiscal cliff thing, the problem with the republicans larry, is that they have been boxed in by the democrats into a difficult position where the polls confirm that the public in america believe that the reason that president obama is going to win the debate that if he goes over, that they are going to save the backsides of the wealthy 2% of americans. i probably shouldn't but i do. >> with which i agree but i think the risk here for the gop is that they become the party of rich people. and i think you saw that in the election. i don't think that is their intent. i think their intent is quite sound. >> they are becoming the party of rich white older men. you can't think of any other section of the community right now thinking the republican party is for me. >> i think that is why the politics of this make it possible to go over the cliff. i think the democrats see if we go over the cliff the republicans get blamed. meanwhile. i think the republicans worry about bei ining blamed by a pri contender with the field. that doesn't mean they are obliged to stop this. his own party i
. >> this fiscal cliff thing, the problem with the republicans larry, is that they have been boxed in by the democrats into a difficult position where the polls confirm that the public in america believe that the reason that president obama is going to win the debate that if he goes over, that they are going to save the backsides of the wealthy 2% of americans. i probably shouldn't but i do. >> with which i agree but i think the risk here for the gop is that they become the party of...
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house is, in fact, ready to go straight over the fiscal cliff. major garrett is at the white house. major, good morning. >> reporter: good morning, norah and charlie. later on this afternoon the president will travel across the potomac river to northern virginia to meet a middle-class family to make the self-evident point if the there is a deal and taxes are raised by about $2,000 they'll be happier and spend more money. that's the p.r. side of this. much more importantly, for the deal, the two key players yesterday picked up the phone. the phone call relatively brief and substantive, though details remain illusive. shorter, sources say. the last week 28-minute conversation described then as curt, direct and frank. no one with this call used such barbed words and occurred before treasury secretary tim geithner laid down this harsh fiscal cliff marker. >> if the administration, are they prepared to go over the fiscal cliff? >> absolutely. no prospect or agreement that doesn't involve those rates going on on the top 2%. remember, only 2%. >> report
house is, in fact, ready to go straight over the fiscal cliff. major garrett is at the white house. major, good morning. >> reporter: good morning, norah and charlie. later on this afternoon the president will travel across the potomac river to northern virginia to meet a middle-class family to make the self-evident point if the there is a deal and taxes are raised by about $2,000 they'll be happier and spend more money. that's the p.r. side of this. much more importantly, for the deal,...
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>> tim geithner said yesterday that heat the white house would be willing to go off the fiscal cliff if there is no movement by house republicans. would you be willing to go off the fiscal cliff if they did not budge on the top 2%? >> i did not understand the statement in the way that you characterized it. the way i think -- it was a prediction. if there is no agreement, then the fiscal cliff pass to be dealt with. i did not see it as if they do not do this, we do that. i saw it as a statement of fact. if there is no agreement, we go over the cliff. >> the governor christie is meeting at the white house with the president. this afternoon, as he has a meeting with the speaker. [inaudible] >> christie? i thought you were talking about sandy right now. >> [inaudible] >> i do not know that. i had a meeting with governor cuomo and i met with mayor bloomberg. they showed me the documentation of the challenges they're facing in their communities. they know that i am committed to the social compact the but we have to be there for people in times of natural disaster. one of the first things i
>> tim geithner said yesterday that heat the white house would be willing to go off the fiscal cliff if there is no movement by house republicans. would you be willing to go off the fiscal cliff if they did not budge on the top 2%? >> i did not understand the statement in the way that you characterized it. the way i think -- it was a prediction. if there is no agreement, then the fiscal cliff pass to be dealt with. i did not see it as if they do not do this, we do that. i saw it as...
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this fiscal cliff thing, the problem with the republicans, larry, is that they have been boxed in by the democrats into a difficult position where the polls confirm that the public in america believe that the reason that president obama is going to win the debate is because, come the fiscal cliff moment, that if he goes over, that they are going to save the backsides of the wealthy 2% of americans. i probably shouldn't but i do. >> speaking as a reagan conservative, i must say i rather agree with you. probably shouldn't. but i do. i think divided government is very difficult. and there's some principles that speaker boehner is fighting for, with which i actually agree. but i think politically, the risk here for the gop, is they've become the party of rich people. and they give up the middle-class to the democrats. and i think you saw some of that in the presidential election. i don't think that's their intent. i think their tax reform intent is quite sound. but the way this is playing out, i think that's a big risk for them. >> they're becoming the party of rich, white, older men, is
this fiscal cliff thing, the problem with the republicans, larry, is that they have been boxed in by the democrats into a difficult position where the polls confirm that the public in america believe that the reason that president obama is going to win the debate is because, come the fiscal cliff moment, that if he goes over, that they are going to save the backsides of the wealthy 2% of americans. i probably shouldn't but i do. >> speaking as a reagan conservative, i must say i rather...
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is the stock market pricing in a tumble over the fiscal cliff? losh abet senior economist and market strategist milton miss rought at this breaks it down with tracy and ash. stick around >> gold bars i suppose. >> i would be buying gold bars and real estate. >> under the mattress. >> let it all go. ashley: nothing wrong with those. not at all. >> and on that note --, take it away. ashley: thank you, ladies. as lori just said, drifting along. market up by 11 points. good afternoon, i'm ashley webster. tracy: i'm tracy byrnes. political theater over the fiscal cliff. how a senate battle over the presidential power around the debt ceiling could shape the cliff talks going forward. ashley: apple shares up today, but still down more than 20% from the all-time high less than three months ago. now is the time to buy. is there more downside ahead? all the people wondering about apple. we'll speak to one leading analyst is here soon. tracy: i do my part this holiday season for apple. somebody has to buy the stock. goinn over the fiscal cliff means big bud
is the stock market pricing in a tumble over the fiscal cliff? losh abet senior economist and market strategist milton miss rought at this breaks it down with tracy and ash. stick around >> gold bars i suppose. >> i would be buying gold bars and real estate. >> under the mattress. >> let it all go. ashley: nothing wrong with those. not at all. >> and on that note --, take it away. ashley: thank you, ladies. as lori just said, drifting along. market up by 11 points....
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>> the white house has proposed extending them and it is opening day in terms of the fiscal cliff, their opening bid, they proposed extending basically a whole batch of them. they have just like everyone else, when we do tax reform we really need to get rid of some of these. >> host: you are a tax writer with see q roll-call, we have been talking about tax extender issues, and their role in the fiscal cliff negotiations. >> for video of other events we have covered about the fiscal cliff, see our special web page. there's also a live twitter stream with comments from the ridge and reporters and a resource area with related documents and links. c-span.org/fiscal cliff. >> an update from capitol hill reporter on the latest in the senate on president obama's proposal on the fiscal cliff and the debt ceiling. this is about five minutes. >> andrew taylor covers congress for the associated press. there were some attempts by mitch mcconnell to get roll-call votes on the president's debt plan and his fiscal cliff plan and the debt ceiling plan. what was he trying to do? >> guest: he was trying t
>> the white house has proposed extending them and it is opening day in terms of the fiscal cliff, their opening bid, they proposed extending basically a whole batch of them. they have just like everyone else, when we do tax reform we really need to get rid of some of these. >> host: you are a tax writer with see q roll-call, we have been talking about tax extender issues, and their role in the fiscal cliff negotiations. >> for video of other events we have covered about the...
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. >> this could be another negotiating chip in the fiscal cliff. harry reid's threat. it could be something to try to get more tax increases out of the republicans. megyn: interesting. this is a huge deal back in '06. you haven't heard as much about it now that the shoe is on the other foot. the democrats find themselves in the minority they play rue the day harry reid pushed this through. new questions how to tell if someone is too high to drive. now that marijuana is legal for recreational use in two states, authorities are trying to figure out what the legal limit should be for getting behind the wheel after you toke up. this is why. video of a crash that look the lives of four teenagers. prosecutors say the 17-year-old driver was high on marijuana when he got behind the wheel. it happened on long island in october. the driver took a curb at 110 miles an hour. crossed three lanes of traffic and skidded into trees, one of whicher to the car in half. he survived but his friend did not. the new marijuana law weren't into effect in the state. people can smoke for recrea
. >> this could be another negotiating chip in the fiscal cliff. harry reid's threat. it could be something to try to get more tax increases out of the republicans. megyn: interesting. this is a huge deal back in '06. you haven't heard as much about it now that the shoe is on the other foot. the democrats find themselves in the minority they play rue the day harry reid pushed this through. new questions how to tell if someone is too high to drive. now that marijuana is legal for...
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this makes the white house as extreme in the house who are willing to go over the fiscal cliff instead of raising taxes on the wealthy. he's talking about the rates. he said rates on the wealthy. >> larry summers is a former treasury secretary, very smart, a harvard professor and we agree on a lot of things and that was not new. they've already agreed to raise rates on the wealthy. >> raising tax rates has been something the president's insisted on for two years. it was a central issue in the campaign. >> don't you think the republicans -- >> i think everybody gets it. the president is not signing legislation, no way, that does not raise tax rates. i think the president has been as clear as day that he will not do it without raising the level of tax. >> marginal? >> including marginal tax rates. he said the 35% rate has to move up, that base broadening alone is insufficient. >> maybe not 39.6. >> he has been as clear as day on that point. the president's position as i understand it has been that we have to raise rates but he is certainly prepared to combine rate raising with base broad
this makes the white house as extreme in the house who are willing to go over the fiscal cliff instead of raising taxes on the wealthy. he's talking about the rates. he said rates on the wealthy. >> larry summers is a former treasury secretary, very smart, a harvard professor and we agree on a lot of things and that was not new. they've already agreed to raise rates on the wealthy. >> raising tax rates has been something the president's insisted on for two years. it was a central...
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is ready to go over the fiscal cliff. where do negotiations go from there? keep it right here on "morning joe." >>> good morning. it's 8:00 on the east coast 5:00 a.m. on the west coast. time to wake up, everybody. welcome back to "morning joe." take a live look at new york city. back with us onset we have harold ford. >> he is a professor. >> yes, he is. >> hard to believe. >> and a former member of congress. >> yes. >> steve rattner. >> he is a financier. >> yes he is. >> also hard to believe. >> and mark halperin in washington. >> he is a secret agent. won't tell us who he is meeting with. >> so cagey. >> boy, there are some stories here. unbelievable. you're talking about libya and i tell you what. you've got assad about to cross that red line and he's going to see russia leaving quick. i think he'll see even troops going in there if he starts using chemical weapons against his own people. morsi in trouble, egypt. the biggest revolt since mubarak was pushed out of power. the "new york times" also has another fascinati
is ready to go over the fiscal cliff. where do negotiations go from there? keep it right here on "morning joe." >>> good morning. it's 8:00 on the east coast 5:00 a.m. on the west coast. time to wake up, everybody. welcome back to "morning joe." take a live look at new york city. back with us onset we have harold ford. >> he is a professor. >> yes, he is. >> hard to believe. >> and a former member of congress. >> yes. >> steve...
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in congress if you go over the fiscal cliff. how long can you have that hard line on those making 250 and above. >> america faces a very serious problem and our goal is to make sure it gets solved. we have a debt problem that is out of control. we have got to cut spending and i believe it is appropriate to the receive news we are putting on the table are going to come from, guess who? the rich. there are ways to limit deductions, close loopholes and have the same people pay more -- more of their money to the federal government without raising the tax rates which we believe will harm our economy. \[inaudible question] >> i think our members understand the seriousness of the situation that our country faces. trillion dollar deficits for as far as the eye can see. $16 trillion of debt on the books. every man, woman and child owing the american government $50,000 and that number is increasing every single year. as a result, our members understand that we've got to solve the problem, and we will. >> the house is going to leave today
in congress if you go over the fiscal cliff. how long can you have that hard line on those making 250 and above. >> america faces a very serious problem and our goal is to make sure it gets solved. we have a debt problem that is out of control. we have got to cut spending and i believe it is appropriate to the receive news we are putting on the table are going to come from, guess who? the rich. there are ways to limit deductions, close loopholes and have the same people pay more -- more...